Curse

glacialphoenix · May 05, 2009, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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are the minions still under your control? or are they from a MM that has died?

They're hostile, and were attacking him.

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Also On my Main War, Toma is a no show hasnt been here in a while. Any suggestions?

He doesn't show up if you've got Undead Defenders active.

Qing Guang · May 05, 2009, 04:20 AM // 04:20

I've been getting 11-13 kills on average with a random pug. Had a few low runs due to an idiot necro who kept wanding the things to death (we told her to drop the wand about 4 times before finally kicking her), and one no-show.

I hate Toma. I really, really do. I love the quest; it's an exercise in self-control. But Toma... ugh. He'll kill things instead of using Feeding Frenzy sometimes, even if they're at below 20%; he'll attack the highest-health target instead of going for the ones we've carefully softened up for him; he can't decide which party member he wants to follow and often runs after the one pulling for him; he can't make up his mind and will waste valuable seconds switching amongst four or five targets without actually dealing any damage whatsoever. This leads me to one conclusion...

...Toma must be the sick lovechild of Rurik, Mhenlo, Danika, and Dunkoro.

Divine Ashes · May 05, 2009, 04:59 AM // 04:59

I've been using an E/Mo with Restore Life, Resurrect, and Res Chant, A Nec Saccer with BiP, another Nec as an MM with Aura, Bone Minions, Verata, and CoP, and me...just chillin there and healin the MM or E/Mo when necessary. Just micro the BiP and let the MM and Resser do their jobs. As soon as I get about 8 or so up, I grab the quest and Verata's+CoP. Rinse+Repeat until time runs out

I get about 15 berries on average...with my highest being about 18.

Tearmaker · May 05, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27

I've been using: Aura of the Lich, Ventra's Gaze and CoP on three necro heroes.

I have Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom and Quickening Zephyr, I also took Escape just to be safe.

Take healer henchies. Drop EBSW and QZ... have 3 necro's use AotL and get 3 or 4 minions a peice for first go, take quest... VG, CoP... maintain EBSW and QZ... keep makeing single minions and releaseing them as needed... easily got 13 or 14... 15 if you get good recharges on skills... no deaths and no rezing needed.

edit in: don't forget to keep all heroes on passive.

Deimos Zargarda · May 05, 2009, 05:45 AM // 05:45

I thought it would take a long time to collect them myself but it went pretty fast, you dont need any specific build, all you need is to call the targets which Toma is attacking, dont let your team kill any other monster, simply call his targets, there are only 2 groups of Insects I kill, the one on the field with spawns and the one with the Monk boss, after that he may need to eat 1 more, which is pretty easy to find and with more than a min.

Cebe · May 05, 2009, 06:23 AM // 06:23

My method is to just take out 6 hero/hench instead of the full 8 because you end up killing slower so Toma has more of a chance to use his Feeding Frenzy skill.

One thing that's confusing me though is that when the timer gets to 20 seconds, it tells me to go back to Chuno. I could easily have got 15 kills in if I had an extra 20 seconds. I can't work out why it's doing it.

zwei2stein · May 05, 2009, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by Cebe

My method is to just take out 6 hero/hench instead of the full 8 because you end up killing slower so Toma has more of a chance to use his Feeding Frenzy skill.

One thing that's confusing me though is that when the timer gets to 20 seconds, it tells me to go back to Chuno. I could easily have got 15 kills in if I had an extra 20 seconds. I can't work out why it's doing it.

Quest is bugged:

Each kill should award you 15 extra seconds, and time displayed is updated with bonus time.

But actual counter inside game is not so you end up 15/30/45 seconds too early depending on your kills.

Sword Hammer Axe · May 05, 2009, 08:11 AM // 08:11

20 exactly.

I go out southwest, kill the kournan patrols and venture into the fortress.
I do it on HM because Toma needs time to recharge his skills so when it takes more time to kill the opponents he can chomp up more of them.

Red Sonya · May 05, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

^ is the biggest bser in the game lol 20 in HARD MODE hahahahaha try again son nobody is going to believe that one.

Abedeus · May 05, 2009, 10:36 AM // 10:36

20 enemies x about 10 seconds recharge on the Chomp + time to get a monster to 20% (AT LEAST) = 200 seconds. 3 minutes 20 seconds. No idea where do you live, maybe time goes slower for you, but it's impossible. Even for Minion Masters producing food.

Arduin · May 05, 2009, 10:40 AM // 10:40

I was able to feed 20 minions on one occasion to Toma. However, I only got 3 Branches of Berries.

I'm sure the counter went from 19 to 20, but as Toma ate the last minion at the very last second, I'm not sure if the game registred it.

It's very easy to make him eat 15 minions, but only rarely will he get to 19-20, so it's much easier to aim for 15 kills/3 branches.

Just make sure there are already some hostile minions present before starting the quest, so Toma can get to chomping immediately.

Mate brought [[Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom], but I don't suppose it helped on Toma.

BlueNovember · May 05, 2009, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

about 10 seconds recharge on the Chomp

QZ would lower this number, but yes, it still looks unlikely.

I've hit 18, no higher. EBSW + QZ is a good plan though. *steal*.
Been using AotL necros with Vereta and Signet of Agony. After a minute or so of DP you can AotL +Signet of Agony to raise and sac instantly, providing minions and a corpse.

Edit: Should have 5 in death magic also; reduce time it takes for the fella to take them to 20%.

Ate of DK · May 05, 2009, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I don't bring henchman, only heroes. They stop attacking when you stop and you get between 10-15 kills every run.

eeks · May 05, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39

'Cause I'm unable to disable skills on my heroes for some reason, I just use this hackneyed build on my necromancer:
[Animate Bone Minions][Verata's Aura][Contemplation of Purity][Healing Breeze][Resurrect] and dump [Blood is Power] on Master of Whispers. Raise six minions before taking the quest, use VA & CoP, then just raise 2 minions each time. Don't really need an elite skill, as I can keep myself alive anyway.

It only nets me 10 - 14 kills (can never manage 15, 'cause of the stupid timer ending at 20 seconds), but for someone who can't micromanage properly due to being unable to disable skills (I messed around with controls - never again!), I think it's an all right haul for 4 minutes of little work.

Fril Estelin · May 05, 2009, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I managed to get to 19 kills with a friend, both using the saccing method proposed here. But not above. Some runs were actually ruined by too many minions, and me unable to save my MM (should have used rit instead of monk).

I was only able to consistently get 15 kills by fast micromanagement (and trying that with a friend didn't help significantly), it was actually a quite good exercise for that (I'd be laughing if that was the purpose

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But quite often my saccer's BIP would not be activated, I was wondering whether it's because he was prioritising movement over skill use, anyone observed that too?

imnotyourmother · May 05, 2009, 02:14 PM // 14:14

WOW the minion master idea is great..

that said.. I take 3 monk hero's and the 2 monks from the henchies.

Then I run around and the beast eats the FIRST agro'd foe so I use my "touch ranger skills" to do 80% of the damage and the beast finishes the job in one bite.

Then I run about some more popping them out of the ground and then kill the patrol group. That is 2 berries..head back to get my reward.

As for the price of the berries, you must have Nightfall to get the things and Factions to get the goodies. Kinda sneaky on the part of Anet making you buy 2 games to take part in the hunt for red october - I mean the traveler

LONGA · May 05, 2009, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Poor toma getting farmed with low quality food.

Must say people who buy berry is extremely lazy or having too much money.Tournament award point x accounts = Zaishenkeys.

2 berry under 5 minute run seems ok here.

mage767 · May 05, 2009, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Consistent 17 kills, sometimes +/- 1

Bip, sac, use x3 MMs

dr love · May 05, 2009, 02:58 PM // 14:58

i thought my guildie was the only one with the MM idea

anyway, if you have multiple accounts, that is really the way to go. dual or triple accounting and suddenly 2 berries turns into 4 or 6 berries per run.

zwei2stein · May 05, 2009, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

But quite often my saccer's BIP would not be activated, I was wondering whether it's because he was prioritising movement over skill use, anyone observed that too?

Yes, Heroes are sometimes quite slow with BiP.

I solved that by equipping three superior runes on saccer hero. That way, [Resurrect] will only serve as "corpse refresher" once hero gets to 60DP.